They are very simple, but built out of great steel and just about bombproof. I have a 12 gauge shot gun Model 37. NY: Avon Books, 1995. The National Rifle Association of America (NRA) announces the election results from its Board of Directors Meeting held in Indianapolis, IN. Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture: Forums Member List Calendar Active Threads: Previous Thread: Next Thread : Print Thread: Hop To : Re: Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture. If you measure the load / ejection ports on your guns you should find that the space in the Mag gun is about a 1/4 of an inch longer than the non mag gun. Moody?? What would the value of a Ithaca 12 gauge shotgun model 37 serial number 250095? ** The mark HG indicated registration with the BATF. ** LeFever guns numbered under 10000 are built by the old LeFever Arms Company located in Syracuse NY. ****In 1974, Ithaca tried a design change in the shell stop system, which proved to be faulty. A few shotguns were acquired by the military during this period for foraging use, such as hunting birds and other small game to supplement the typical salt pork and hardtack fare. Well, before 1968, there were a lot of gun models from several different companies that did not have serial numbers. What is the Value of Ithaca model 37 16 gauge serial number 1849982? The results of combat use of the choke were mixed, and it was eventually determined that the device was better suited for riot control applications than for combat use.In 1967, the U.S. government placed orders with Ithaca for a relatively small quantity of Model 37 trench guns that differed in several minor respects from the more than 200 S-prefix serial number USAF trench guns ordered previously. . From that list you can find out what serial number block the gun falls in and match it to the . It built trench, riot and training Model 37s for the U.S. government. Ithaca also made a number of essentially identical Model 37 trench guns for the civilian and law enforcement markets that were not stamped with martial markings and were in a higher serial number range.It is interesting to note that these 1960s-production Model 37 trench guns, like the World War II trench guns, were equipped with bayonet adapters for use with the Model 1917 U.S. The Skeet Grade was discontinued after 1954. The most widely issued shotguns during the Southeast Asia conflict were the Ithaca Model 37 and Stevens Model 77E. They were plain-barrel riot guns and were not equipped with bayonet adapters, but they were fitted with sling swivels.As the United States involvement in Vietnam began to escalate further, the supply of World War II-production shotguns became depleted as the guns, once again, proved their value to our troops. To the OP, if the barrel fits the gun well, send your barrel to Guncat to have it cut. A 3 inch shell measures about 2&9/16 while a 2&3/4 shell measures about 2&1/4 inches both measured with the crimp down. Looks like you have a pair of 3 inch guns. The gun was an improved version of the John Browning-designed Model 17 that had been a popular seller for the Remington Arms Co. Supply Depot on Sept. 4, 1942, which resulted in total production of 1,422 guns. Serial# 371414XXX. As time went on production switched over to 3 inch receivers only and the Mag was dropped from the serial numbers. This page also has other serial numbers for guns made by Ithaca, LeFever, and some others. Ithaca Model 37 The Dave McCracken Memorial Shotgun Forum The Firing Line . There's no need for double topics. The slide release is pressed and the slide retracted completely then pushed forward. On July 1, residents with a clean criminal history of legal age in Florida will be able to carry concealed without a permit. I think I remember hearing that there was a time at the Ithaca NY plant where there were no numbers on 37s. It was envisioned that such arms would soon be needed for training and combat purposes. At one time, the Ithaca 37 was renamed the Model 87, although it was soon changed back in one of many ownership changes. 1849982 - Model 37. Am I close? Otherwise, the Model 37 operates in much the same way as other pump-action shotguns; with the exception that, unlike most pump-action (and semi-automatic) long arms which usually eject expended shells to one side, usually the right the Model 37 ejects them downward, through the aforementioned loading/ejection port. Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:03 pm Go to the Ithaca gun web sight and find the serial number list. I merged your topics together here. Contact Us. According to an article by the Ithaca Times dated June 11, 2003, the one-millionth Model 37 was produced in 1968; and as of 2003, more than 2,000,000 Model 37s have been produced. The thread pattern that we utilize on our interchangeable barrel field guns is the same pattern that was used by Ithaca in New York after 1963. All Model 37's had serial numbers before they left the factory. What is the serial number on a Model 37? Ithaca Model 37 Law Enforcement Weapons. I'm trying to find the age of my dad's Ithaca model 37 and I need help. Along with the standard commercial markings (including Ithacas proprietary Roto-Forge logo), the guns were marked U.S. on the receiver with P proofmarks on the barrel. Year of Manufacture. I found the Ithaca serial number chart and its not making sense to me. Value of a Ithaca gun model L-37 20 ga 2 34 patent 1849982 serial 178174? Material was supplied by Walter C. Snyder and is copyrighted in his name. However, serials weren't required prior to 1968 were they? ', Ithaca Model 37 Ultra-Featherlight 20-gauge, The Rifleman Report: 100 Years & Counting | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Dan Wesson Firearms: Quality Revolvers & M1911s | An Official Journal Of The NRA, Rifleman Q&A: Custom M1903 Carbine? All these Model 37's had the serial number prefix of 381. 1 - 2447. The older guns have the number stamped in the face of the receiver where the barrel & magazine tube are threaded in. Also, a matching number is stamped on the underside of the barrel. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. After gearing for production of their new shotgun as the Ithaca Model 33 in 1933, Ithaca discovered a Pedersen patent that would not expire until 1937, and production had to be delayed. I'm no authority. There is a patent number on the barrel, Patent No. If not, what if the removal was done prior to passage of the law? You said the gun had no serial number, Right.. What Chuck said, plus the receivers for 3'' shells are 1/4" longer to accomidate that lengh. Thus, holding the trigger down allowed the gun to fire the instant a new round is cycled into the chamber without requiring the trigger to be released; this feature was called "slam-fire". This one's 9..I think. Ithaca Gun - (FirearmsGuide.com) - Here you can find serial numbers for all Ithaca guns manufactured from 1880 - 1986. placed orders with Winchester Repeating Arms Co. for 1,494 Model 97 trench guns, the first new military combat shotguns to be procured since the end of World War I. An LGS has a 37 for $250. Maybe it is a poorly stamped 16 gauge. Ithaca didn't make 1.8 million shotguns - the doubles ran to less than half a million. I understand they eventually "fixed" the slam fire feature and I'm wondering if there's anyway to tell. Ithaca has suffered many setbacks in its history and changed hands numerous times. Ithaca Model 87 Field Grade 1987-1994. I didn't write down the serial number. "a few variances in this data will be found". The New York City Police Department used 2 versions of the Model 37: one with a 13" barrel with forend hand-strap for its Emergency Service Unit and one with an 18" barrel for its Highway Patrol and solo patrol officers of designated low-crime precincts through a short-lived program spanning from the late 1970s to early 1980s. Fornicate thyself and upon thou steed which you dids't arrive. Depends on the condition, but if good, probably in the $225-$275 range. Posts: 3,575. But many manufacturers put them on, correct? Unique serial number sequences were established for special edition and commemorative Model 37 and Model 87 guns. If this information is unable at this point, could a member point me . Cookie Notice Numrich Gun Parts Corporation 226 Williams Ln. The largest single users outside the US Military were the New York City Police Department and the Los Angeles Police Department. Gun Control = Democrat = Liberal = Socialist = Communist = Hillary "Progressive" Clinton. Unlike the previous Model 37 military shotgun contracts, factory production and shipping records for the later guns have not been found. Ithaca M37s are awesome! The new value of an ITHACA 37 shotgun has fallen ($296.59) dollars over the past 12 months to a price of $682.75 . I do remember as a kid firing it up on the farm in Pennsylvania. I wanted one so bad for a while. I do not know of a 18 gauge. Skeet Model numbers were 80000 - 89999, and the Trap Model numbers were 88000 to 89000. Copyright 2000-2023 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. [7] Privacy Policy. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. As the supply of World War I M1917 bayonets became depleted, contracts for new bayonets of this pattern were given to two firms; General Cutlery and Canada Arsenal. My mag gun measures roughly 2&13/16 while my 2&3/4 gun measured roughly 2&5/8. Ithaca Hi Grade Model 37 $3,000 Grade. Mar 13, 2023 #3 duckbuster5901 Elite Refuge Member This has made the Ithaca popular with left-handed users, who may fear hot shells being thrown at them by other guns. You must log in or register to reply here. Much of the data presented for the Model 37 guns came from microfilm copies of Ithaca shipping records on file at the National Tracing Offices of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and from microfiche copies of invoices from the 1980 era that were found at the Ithaca factory. Much of the data presented for the Model 37 guns came from microfilm copies of Ithaca shipping records on file at the National Tracing Offices of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and from microfiche copies of invoices from the 1980 era that were found at the Ithaca factory. You probably could use the barrel that's on it to shoot slugs. The wartime Ithaca trench guns were marked on the left side of the receiver with the Ordnance flaming bomb insignia, R.L.B (initials of Col. Roy L. Bowlin, head of the Rochester Ordnance District), and a small P (proof) stamp. The Model 37 Featherlight has commonly been seen in the hands of farmers and hunters in the midwestern United States. 17074 on Aug. 7, 1941, which standardized the following shotguns for riot and sporting use: Winchester Model 97, Winchester Model 12, Ithaca Model 37, Remington Model 31 and Savage M620. Join Date: February 28, 2008. Year All Model Guns 1937 1 to 3,500 1938 to 10,000 1939 to 18,350 1940 to 34,400 Standard Model Solid Rib * Skeet* Trap* 1941 to 50,900 70,000-71,500 80,000-80,400 88,000-88,150 Enfield rifle bayonet. Any of these that came to the factory for service were converted back to the original shell stops at no charge. Based on a 1915 patent by firearms designer John Browning for a shotgun initially marketed as the Remington Model 17, it utilizes a novel combination ejection/loading port on the bottom of the gun which leaves the sides closed to the elements. Ithaca stamped the serial numbers on thousands of 37s just where the OP found his, on the front edge of the receiver. I just found the serial number page when I was attempting to establish the year of manufacture for my own 37. I respectfully request where to locate information concerning shipping records of a WWII Ithaca Model 37 Trench and Riot guns. Removing a serial number is agaisnt federal law. When the law goes into effect, the state will be the 26th that recognizes the right. AN ITHACA 37 shotgun is currently worth an average price of $682.75 new and $582.38 used . It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Ordnance Dept. The Ithaca was an improvement on the former design because it emphasized simplicity of form and function. All the M-37s were serial numbered. On Nov. 11, 1941, (less than a month before the attack on Pearl Harbor), the U.S. I wanted one so bad for a while. $895.00 - $1,495.00. In 1937, it was released as the Ithaca 37. As previously stated, the 37s are all Featherlights. Other users include the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department and various military, police, and security agencies and prisons around the world. In addition to the riot guns and trench guns, the government procured 4,534 long-barrel Model 37 training shotguns between June 1941 and September 1942. 1967 ~Ithaca Gun Company is sold to what will become General Recreation, Inc. 1987 ~Ithaca Acquisition, Inc. moves gunmaking . Good luck. Most of your posts are negative in nature, and you are rarely nice and courteous to anyone. Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! They were shipped to the U.S. Nonetheless, with the ever-increasing likelihood that the United States would be drawn into the war raging in Europe, the U.S. Army Ordnance Dept. It will chamber a 16 ga shell but I haven't tried to fire it. Many sporting arms ceased production entirely during the same period. The Ithaca 37 is the only preWorld War II shotgun still in production. A forum community dedicated to Shotgun owners and enthusiasts including the Remington, Beretta, and Mossberg shotguns brands. 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My Model 37 has the serial number stamped on the front of the reciever, opposite the slide for the pump. But then it's still a 7 digit number. My mag gun measures roughly 2&13/16 while my 2&3/4 gun measured roughly 2&5/8. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I have looked high and low to try and find the year manufactured for my Ithaca Model 37 pump Serial number is 371536989. it is Model 37 Feather weight 12 GA 2 3/4 Chamber Proof tested Full Chock. Stupidly I didn't get the serial number. Also, a matching number is stamped on the underside of the barrel. Ithaca also produced shotguns for military use in the mid- to latter half of the 20th century. The few pages of serial #s that I've found are all for 6-digit numbers. Double check on this, but suggest you add a note for 1962 that Ithaca started with truly replace/switch barrels at # 855,000. Mag was used to note a 3 inch receiver in the early days when both 2&3/4 and 3 inch receivers where both being produced. Ithaca M 37 dates of manufacture Here is a chart I recovered from the old Ithaca website. Was there a law in effect prior to 1968 that prohibited the removal of a serial number? Ithaca Hi Grade Model 37 $2,000 Grade. www.diamondgunsmithing.com. Some of the initial-production World War II Model 37 trench guns stocks were checkered on the grip area and the slide handle, but most guns had unadorned (not checkered) wood.Unlike the other manufacturers, the World War II (and most post-war) Ithaca military shotgun production records survived intact, thus exact serial numbers are known. Used with author's permission.&break;&break;Ithaca Gun Company was founded by William Henry Baker, John VanNatta and Dwight McIntyre. Some fake Vietnam-era Model 37 trench guns with bogus USSF (purportedly United States Special Forces) markings have also been observed. There is a patent number on the barrel, Patent No. Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture - 24hourcampfire Previous Thread Next Thread Print Thread Hop To BP-B2 IC B2 IC B3 CTV Who's Online Now 586 members ( 10gaugeman, 1936M71, 12344mag, 204guy, 1beaver_shooter, 160user, 59 invisible), 1,527 guests, and 1,134 robots. By the late 1960s, newer designs, including the Remington Model 870 and Winchester Model 1200, came on the scene, and most of the Model 37s (and 77Es) were eventually withdrawn from military service. Ordnance Dept. The Trap Model was returned to the general listing by 1954 as the Target Grade. Much of the data presented for the Model 37 guns came from microfilm copies of Ithaca shipping records on file at the National Tracing Offices of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and from microfiche copies of invoices from the 1980 era that were found at the Ithaca factory. The regular Model 87 serial number also appears on the receiver. More than two million Model 37s have been produced over its 80-year history. All these Model 37's had the serial number prefix of 381. Ithaca Model 37 Restoration Icarryone 114K views How to Store a Home Defense Shotgun Olde English Outfitters A simple stock repair you can do on your own Part 2 USOG 98K views Ithaca. The Ithaca Model 37 is one of the original classic shotguns along with the Remington Models 31, and 870, and the Winchester Models 1897 and 1912. 1849982 - Model 37 . Unlike some military shotguns made by other contractors, the Ithaca Model 37 stocks were not marked with inspection or proof stamps.In addition to the 1,422 trench guns, Ithaca also delivered a number of Model 37 riot guns to Uncle Sam. The early guns will have serial numbers on the very front of the receiver in between where the barrel connects to the receiver and the magazine tube. It isn't hard to find 16 gauge shell. 1883 ~William Henry Baker and partners go into business as Ithaca Gun Company, start making side by side shotguns. A 3 inch shell measures about 2&9/16 while a 2&3/4 shell measures about 2&1/4 inches both measured with the crimp down. Ithaca Model 87 Repeater. Now, dba, Ithaca Gun Company of Upper Sandusky, Ohio. The stocks were unmarked. Ithaca Model 37 Military and Police (M&P) Ithaca Model 37 DS Police Special. An LGS has a 37 for $250. 1000.00. Once fired the shells should measure closer to 3 and 2&3/4 inches with the crimp out. I said it was a felony to own it, So Please tell me where I'm either Wrong or moody. The receivers did not have the engraved game scenes as found on most of the earlier riot guns procured under government contract. It has been the company's mainstay production gun ever since. The serial number will be on one of two places on the gun. * Some M&P guns were built from unused Ducks Unlimited Trade Model receivers and had a DU serial number. To fulfill the initial contracts, many of these 20" plain-barrel shotguns were taken directly from civilian production inventory and stamped with martial markingsgenerally a U.S. stamp, the Ordnance flaming bomb insignia and a P proofmark on the receiver or barrel. In contrast to the M-49s that weren't serial numbered until 1968. But like the M1911A1, the Colt 1908 Pocket Hammerless was drafted from peacetime to wartime service. NOTE: Ithaca introduced interchangeable barrels commencing with serial number 850,000 Naval Operations Support Group ordered an additional 3,000 Model 37 Shotguns, Riot Type, Special Purpose, 12 ga. from Ithaca at a contract price of $37.60 each. Ithaca Gun Company 420 N. Warpole Street Upper Sandusky, OH 43351, The Ithaca Gun Company From The Beginning, Ithaca Featherlight Repeaters: The Best Gun Going: A Complete History of the Ithaca Model 37 and the Model 87. Oklahoma. As discussed, one of the rarest examples of the genre is the World War II Model 37 trench gun, but all of the Ithaca military shotguns are highly desirable acquisitions for a collector. The Model 37 trench guns were shipped from the Ithaca factory to Augusta Arsenal between June 27 and July 20, 1942. They used the Remington Model 17 as their model and made modificationssuch as simplifying and cost-saving alterations of the firing pin and ejection mechanism, the work of Ithaca designer Harry Howland in 1931[2]while waiting for related patents to expire. The Duck Hunter's Refuge, aka The Refuge Forums, is the leading online community for duck and goose hunters. Call Ithaca at 1 877 648 4222 and they. JavaScript is disabled. Not sure about the 2 on the end. WESTERN ARMS MODEL LONG RANGE DOUBLE GUNS. Found the serial number and checked it out. This pump-action, bottom-ejecting shotgun is available in a number of configurations. Shotguns have had a long, but often unheralded, tenure of service with Americas armed forces. Bristoe #12690699 03/03/18. By 1894, the company was under exclusive control of Leroy Smith and George Livermore. The later guns are on the side of the receiver above the trigger. The Model 37 was used by the United States Armed Forces in World War II, [5] the Korean War, and especially the Vietnam War, where it gained a great reputation for reliability in the jungles of Vietnam when generally used by special and special operations forces like the Navy SEALs [6] and Army Green Berets. Special serial number blocks were discontinued during 1953 for the models 37S and 37T. $950.00. 1886. This feature appealed to many buyers, and the Model 37 soon became known for its craftsmanship and reliability. Factory records reflect that two additional Model 37 trench guns were sent to the New Cumberland (Penn.) There were many new guns and lots of new gear to see at the 2023 NRA Annual Meeting & Exhibits. After the Armistice, civilian gunmakers concentrated on rifles and shotguns for the civilian sporting/hunting market. Production has resumed in Upper Sandusky, Ohio. Model 37 Featherlight. Following the First World War, the Ithaca Gun Company sought to produce a pump-action shotgun to compete with the ubiquitous Winchester Model 1912. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 30800 Telegraph Rd, Suite 1921, Bingham Farms, MI 48025 USA. Ithaca Model 87 Magnum. Interesting that I have one whose number, 37135XXXX, is not on the list. Senior Member . The World War II Ithaca Model 37 trench guns were finished in Ithacas attractive commercial-grade blue. Its procurement and issuance from 1942 through the late 1960s is ample testimony to the value of the Ithaca Model 37 to our armed forces. *Originally Compiled by The Ithaca Gun Co., October 1960. Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests. Joined: Jun 2005. With the depression dragging on and another war looming on the horizon, it was possibly the worst time to introduce a sporting arm. Once fired the shells should measure closer to 3 and 2&3/4 inches with the crimp out. The number range shows as a model 87, but its definitely a 37. Serial Number. help! Fornicate thyself and upon thou steed which you dids't arrive. Due to the growing popularity of the Winchester and Remington slide-action shotguns, Ithaca Gun Co. sought a gun of this type to keep pace with its two major competitors. The Ithaca 37 (or Model 37) is a pump-action shotgun made in large numbers for the civilian, military, and police markets. *Interchangeable barrels began with serial number 855000. The number range shows as a model 87, but it's definitely a 37. Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture, Re: Ithaca Model 37 serial numbers/dates of manufacture, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. This is proving to be more difficult than I thought! Based on a 1915 patent by firearms designer John Browning for a shotgun initially marketed as the Remington Model 17, it utilizes a novel combination ejection/loading port on the bottom of the gun which leaves the sides closed to the elements.
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